Tuesday, March 29, 2011

Pro-Life Atheist (arguments for why abortion is wrong)

Needless to say, I am a pro-life atheist. It should also be needless to say that most atheists are pro-choice.

Abortion is morally wrong, and can be easily argued against using secular-reasoning. While moral-relativists will attempt to twist logic to justify its practice, they are unable to do so without completely devaluing human-life.

In the below video, Sam Harris fails to present an argument for why destroying human-life (albeit young) is morally permissible.


Firstly, he claims that every cell in "your" body has the potential for creating a new life, which is dodging the issue by creating a fictitious scenario. There is a difference between potential and actual occurrence (hindsight vs. foresight). An embryo is human life that is actually occurring. The said life would develop into a fully functioning human being (excluding death via disease and murder). By his logic it is morally permissible for a mother to kill her offspring regardless of age. She could potentially have gotten an abortion in the past (which is impossible outside of this warped logic), which is "morally acceptable" if we accept abortion as being moral. The life could potentially have not existed at all, so it is not wrong to end it if we use our imagination. Using the imagination to create scenarios of what potentially could have happened in the past can be used to justify anything. Obviously we should be looking at what is actually occurring, and leave fantasy out of the debate.

9-Week Human Embryo from Ectopic PregnancyAs far as consciousness is concerned, it is impossible (at the moment) to know of consciousness outside of the self. We see life that is similar to us and assume it must have it, but we cannot know for sure. The consciousness argument (i.e. lack of consciousness in an embryo) doesn't hold water for the simple fact that we do not know what consciousness is. It is impossible for us to determine scientifically what does and what doesn't have consciousness. But, let's say that consciousness exists subjectively only if we are able to remember it (for the sake of argument, obviously memory of consciousness does not equate to consciousness itself). Does lack of consciousness completely devalue human life/potential? Is it morally permissible to murder someone after knocking them unconscious (referring to the act of murdering the unconscious, not the act of knocking someone out)? Of course people that are knocked unconscious have the potential to be conscious, given enough time, and the same is true for an embryo/fetus.

With his morally bankrupt rational I could justify the murder of anyone. For example, let's say I have an annoying neighbor. I go over to his house and put an end to his life (without going into the details). Me putting an end to his life is not murder because his life potentially could have ended on that day anyways (or shortly down the road). Besides, everyone is going to die eventually, right? If it wasn't me that killed him, something surely would have eventually. As long as I remember to make him go unconscious, it is morally permissible to do whatever I want with him. This logic doesn't sound as great now does it? Human life should obviously not be valued on the consciousness it has at a particular moment (we all have to sleep).

Infant looking at shiny objectThe point here is that many pro-choicers use their imaginations to distract them from what is actually occurring (making murder an easier pill to swallow). They create fantasies in order to distract and justify their wicked beliefs (to themselves and others). When human-life exists and a person acts in order to put an end to that life, that is murder by definition (if the life agrees to be killed then that is euthanasia, which is a separate issue).

The reality is that an embryo is a human life in and of itself (a very dependent one, like most humans are in one way or another), and will grow into a fully functioning human-being if it is not murdered beforehand. Pro-choicers create fictitious scenarios and use word-play as a means of dodging the actual issue. This is one area within the atheist community that disappoints me. It shows that many atheists are as sheepish as anyone else. Anyone that actually thinks about what is occurring here should easily see how immoral abortion is. Sociopathic individuals will warp reality and logic to suit their own ends, regardless if human life gets in their way. Of course for the practice of abortion to be morally acceptable (as well as not a crime) pro-choicers must do everything they can to convince others that they are not actually destroying human-life. Pro-choicers use their imaginations as a means of diversion as well as a means of dehumanizing human-life (which can't be done with any intellectual honesty).

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Christians also need to start using secular arguments for debating abortion, God is not a convincing argument for atheists/secularists. 

9 comments:

  1. your an idiot. this just shows that not all atheists are open minded. when the abortion happens, what is killed is just a ball of cells that is unable to think at all. grow up douche..your probably just a closeted christian

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  2. So we are free to destroy a "ball of cells" that composes an entire, separate human life? With that argument you could justify the killing of any human (as long as they are unable to think at that present moment). Also, your name-calling is reflective of your lack of substantive argument. I think you are the one that needs to grow-up.

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  3. Thank you for your thoughtful reflection. It is hard to "come out" as pro life and atheist. I would ask you about the tricky cases which complicate your "life is life" argument. What if it were a rape?

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  4. I don't see how the two are connected. If a human life exists in the womb, then there is no rationalization for destroying it. I would recommend adoption after 9 months. Women need to be very mindful, and avoid getting themselves into certain situations. Several measures can be taken to avoid becoming pregnant (getting tubes tied, the pill, among many others).

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  5. @Jeremy "Women need to be very mindful, and avoid getting themselves into certain situations. Several measures can be taken to avoid becoming pregnant (getting tubes tied, the pill, among many others)."
    And not having sex with you!
    Since apparently you think only women are responsible then you should leave the choice of what to do with a parasitic life form in our womb up to us. It is not a separate human life, it's a fetus, get over it. People make mistakes and birth control is not always 100% effective. A forced pregnancy and an unwanted child are a greater trajedy than terminating an early potential life. Miscarriage in nature is a common event. How come we don't have funerals for all the miscarriages? Because we don't view them as individuals.
    Prolifers always try to make abortion a black and white issue which shows their limited critical thinking and empathy skills. Equating abortion to murder is a trope and a common argument of radical extremists. This blogger is neither an atheist nor a critical thinker.

    P.S. "God" is the greatest abortionist of all!

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  6. "This blogger is neither an atheist nor a critical thinker."

    You are a perfect example for what I was talking about. Thanks for stopping by :)


    P.S.

    Perhaps you should ask yourself why my position bothers you so much. Perhaps personal, non-objective bias is clouding your perception. The fact that you are so upset by my opinion leads me to believe you have had an abortion, and don't want to think of yourself as a murderer (could be wrong however). Abortion is wrong, and you are doing everything you can to justify it with your little ego-centric brain.

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  7. Jeremy,
    Thank you for your logical argumentation and clear explanation. I think the most effective part about your approach is your patience and non-hostility towards those who are hostile towards you (at least from what I've seen in the comments for this post, as this is the first time i've come acrossed your blog).

    I am a Catholic (and former atheist) and I only mention this because as a Catholic I'd like to express my thanks for what you are doing here. In my experience thus far w/ other atheists I have found they will be anti-abortion simply because to be so means to be anti-Christian. So my impression has always been that atheists are not the "open-minded, free-thinking" people they claim to be. But you've shown me otherwise. It appeared to me that if there is stone to throw at Christianity then they will pick it up and throw it, regardless of truth... and abortion is one such stone.

    Now we may come to different conclusions on religious matters, but I think mature, true "thinking" adults Christian, Agnostic, Atheist or otherwise are able to discuss differences without hostility. Thanks.

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  8. The anonymous guy at the top is an idiot. We are all just a bunch of cells. We differ in that we function at a higher level. Not all abortions are the same; it depends on what trimester. I don't believe life begins at conception. However, I think that anyone to takes an extreme to any side rigidly is an idiot. This issue needds to be tlaked about and justified by both sides but people are too myopic to do that. I personally think that somewhere in the second trimester abortion becomes questionable. So I am prolife to an extent. If the laws for abortion are too flippant then I am prolife. If they are too rigid then I am pro choice. It depenends on how you look at it. But anyone that acts likes it is just soo obvious and does not need further discussion is probably too involved in politics. Excuse any grammatical errors- I just don't care.

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  9. "I don't believe life begins at conception"

    It's not a thing that is up to "belief". Scientifically speaking, that IS when life begins.

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